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Old 01-08-2017, 01:09 PM
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As above and above.





Just enjoy the cars while you can.
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Old 01-08-2017, 01:50 PM
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There are a fraction of numbers with S54's though so they are much rarer - which is bound to be part of it. That's possibly the opposite of other limited run oddballs where once they started selling they made more. I didn't have a preference when I was buying mine.

A quick google gave me this:
Version Registrations
Clio V6 230 (Phase I) 256
Clio V6 255 (Phase II) 354

Wasn't it the same with the Williams too?
With the Clio V6, the Phase 2 is clearly the better car; more power, better chassis handling and looks much nicer so I would pay a premium for one over the phase 1.

The differences between the S50 and S54 Coupes is essentially just the engine, no real changes other than that (exactly same drivetrain, diff, brakes, suspension, interior bar grey dials etc). The S54 is technically the better engine as it's a progression of the S50 but not a lot in it.
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Old 01-08-2017, 06:12 PM
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I don't understand why the S54 are said to more desirable.

I thought the whole attraction about the M Coupe was the fact it was a proper drivers car with no traction control etc. so how can the S54 be more desirable?

Please prove me wrong but is it not the case with every other "classic car" that the first original models demand the most money and the facelift less so?
You can turn the traction off making it a "proper drivers car"!
The car that saved Aston Martin, the DB7 is cheaper as an early car compared to the later DB7 Vantage. In fact the final facelift GT & GTA command the highest premiums. Limited numbers & improvement is where the desire comes from.
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Old 01-08-2017, 06:31 PM
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I only swapped from the S50 to the S54 as I put the S50 down a ditch....

It's been such a long time since I had the S50 I can't recall any differences really. The one thing I would say would lean me towards the S54 is that it's apparently a lot closer to its quoted BHP than the S50 is, but then how often do you get to use it all anyway....
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Old 01-08-2017, 06:56 PM
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Service intervals are greater with the S54
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Old 01-08-2017, 07:04 PM
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The obvious differences are a later engine (won many awards), fly by wire throttle, DSC (traction control which has saved me a number of times over the years), shadow chrome wheels, grey dials, OBD2 (I think?). A lot fewer made.

Didn't appreciate the differences when I bought mine, just on a BMW dealers forecourt and I had to buy it.
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Old 02-08-2017, 10:34 AM
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The differences in driving experience are extremely marginal and probably in practice masked by other issues such as how well the car has been maintained....

So the major difference is price and rarity....... if the market goes up you will probably make more on an S54, and if it goes down you will probably lose more. Assuming you can afford the initial outlay that's something to think about....... and don't listen to the people that say values don't matter ...... any rational person should care about the value of their assets - one never knows when another aspect of your life may force a sale......
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Old 02-08-2017, 09:16 PM
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So true Matt.

Best to buy what you can enjoy now.

Decision being, would you buy a high mileage later car that has been "driven" but maintained or a low mileage early car that has average history?
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Old 02-08-2017, 09:19 PM
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On another note...

Having looked at a few cars now, 4 of them were all registered on the 20th October 1998.

Have I missed something or is this just a spooky coincidence?
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Old 02-08-2017, 09:57 PM
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You are doing the right thing by going to look at a number of different cars, which enables you to compare pros and cons.
Back in 2004/5 when I was looking to purchase my first MC, I talked with a few owners at Gaydon Show (Zzzemmco and Exdos) about what to look for when buying one.
I then travelled as far north as Edinburgh and south to London to look at 4 x Z3MCs and 1 x Z3MR before deciding on the one I wanted. Even managed to drive a MC & MR in same day to further make my mind up on a MC.
Good luck with your quest.
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1983 E28 528i Alpina

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